tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post6162732615278749345..comments2023-11-05T04:23:04.714-08:00Comments on RyallTime: Transformers: The Ongoing MissionChris Ryallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08993328521515328509noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-80600424292344960512009-10-20T18:50:57.985-07:002009-10-20T18:50:57.985-07:00Hi Chris,
I wasn't too keen on Don't new ...Hi Chris,<br /><br />I wasn't too keen on Don't new style when I first saw the ongoing preview art, but I picked up AHM #13 today with his Prime/Ironhide story, and the new look has grown on me considerably. It's still Don's art, just a bit more detailed and with some inspirations from the movie designs. I personally think I'm going to enjoy the ongoing.Andersonh1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-20465822290573749822009-10-05T11:16:56.172-07:002009-10-05T11:16:56.172-07:00Not sure why some fans don't like this new loo...Not sure why some fans don't like this new look to the transformers, I think the new looks is awesome, Dons a transformer drawing expert and the fact he can make them look like that proves it. I'm looking forward to the release in November and I expect great things from this series.<br /><br />Keep up the good work DonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-38514123948684117642009-09-27T05:46:50.429-07:002009-09-27T05:46:50.429-07:00Well, it's nothing new to say that while these...Well, it's nothing new to say that while these are skilfully rendered drawings, I find the faces irksome. It's not, imo, to do with using a 'movie' style or making them more complicated per se; it's simply that Don's choice of how to arrange the plating means the general template is, unfortunately, redolent of an angry old man with gimlet eyes and sunken cheeks.<br /><br />I'd also like to point out there's a massive difference between mandating that artists draw in a 'house style' and mandating that they stick to the same basic design of a Transformer. With the exception of Kup and a few minor characters, Nick Roche has always toed the line in terms of the design, following the cues set by other artists. To say that he draws in a 'house style', however, is preposterously wrong.<br /><br />So I'll be disappointed if this letting artists draw in whatever way they want means the same character turns up with three different configurations over the same time period.<br /><br />As to the writing? Well, let's wait and see. That's what we're all doing, isn't it? All this reaction is just to do with the 'look'.<br /><br />Oh, as a final note - nice to see Red Alert!Jon Stonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17454303789670556539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-79136070071911884802009-09-16T20:23:39.905-07:002009-09-16T20:23:39.905-07:00I have nothing against artists trying something ne...I have nothing against artists trying something new. But let's face it, the faces are atrocious on the covers.<br /><br />And yes, I understand things change... but not always for the better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-73255352406216630622009-09-10T17:33:06.740-07:002009-09-10T17:33:06.740-07:00So did Sixshot take over or what?
Imagine the Pl...So did Sixshot take over or what? <br /><br />Imagine the Plot twist,Razerclaw & Soundwave are his 2cnd Lt's in command..But puts offswitch's in Megatron, Shockwave, Starscream and Scorponok, and makes them lowly grunts while there down...all out of spite, & becouse he could. HA!<br /><br />Am I close or way off? Come on Ryall!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00185755969184723543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-13412684148677948692009-09-10T10:09:39.728-07:002009-09-10T10:09:39.728-07:00>Look at Batman Year One. The art was very basi...>Look at Batman Year One. The art was very basic, but the story made up for it.<br /><br />I was with ya on everything, Fanbot, until this. I think the art in that book is absolutely gorgeous. But that's one of my all-time favorite stories. <br /><br />Although now I wonder if Mazzucchelli had given Batman Michael Keaton's "Batman Movie" mouth if I would've reacted as badly as some fans have about Don's new style...Chris Ryallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08993328521515328509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-43764212627420025512009-09-09T21:36:57.220-07:002009-09-09T21:36:57.220-07:00Woo! This comments page is turning into a slagging...Woo! This comments page is turning into a slagging forum! <br /><br />And the "Anonymous" who is saying how sucky Ryall is and how he's whining and not taking the consumers seriously and all that slag; well isn't a bit of bad consumerism that you aren't even doing your research to ascertain the product quality by actually investigating (ie reading) the product? As I said before, Mike's writing may make up for this style. Art alone don't make a comic great. Look at Batman Year One. The art was very basic, but the story made up for it.<br /><br />And yes, others are right, I find the faces annoying because of the faces. The grille things make it hard for them to look emotive, and they are a bit of an eyesore in the way that it's a bit hard to look at them.<br /><br />So can we PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF PRIMUS, read the slagging comic and actually see what it's like? I mean it's the first ongoing for almost 5 years. FIVE SLAGGING YEARS, people.Fanbothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01477411194875851903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-76186690668797405182009-09-09T05:48:00.684-07:002009-09-09T05:48:00.684-07:00DanielW for the win on constructive criticism comp...DanielW for the win on constructive criticism comparison with his students.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-55738595775088238272009-09-08T16:31:42.899-07:002009-09-08T16:31:42.899-07:00Whoever the "anonymous" is that can'...Whoever the "anonymous" is that can't even sign-off - have you noticed how the "feedback" you're describing is actually moreso the nondescript, negative bashing of "the art sucks".<br />it's fine to have an opinion, but Ryall shares his time with the fans, so please be a little respectful. It really isn't hard.<br /><br />I honestly found the style Don used in AHM#13 a little bit jarring - but from the FEW pics of #1 and #2 i'm warming to it.<br />I cannot WAIT to see the pages in the comic, and witness Costa and Fig telling this new story. And I hope it's successful!<br /><br />--BassbotAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-20007172265732374812009-09-08T15:33:45.735-07:002009-09-08T15:33:45.735-07:00Ryall's not whining, he's saying "giv...Ryall's not whining, he's saying "give it a chance", hell he's not even saying buy the issue, all he's asking is that we give it a flick through in our LCS and pick it up based on what we see in our hands.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-87362667532094003902009-09-08T08:55:10.417-07:002009-09-08T08:55:10.417-07:00Criticism is not the issue as I see it, it's m...Criticism is not the issue as I see it, it's more the opinion disguised as fact (coupled with a lot of rudeness) that's the problem. I've stated it's not to my tastes and that I'll give it a chance and take it from there. In the days on Marvel G1 (UK) you had such contrasting styles and I liked some more than others and I had my favourite (who just so happens to be doing a cover for this - whoop!).<br /><br />If you've said you don't like it or that you're not going to buy it - fine. Move on! Chris will ultimately take into account audience reaction, but as a whole not in individual terms. The only way to see whether a risk is worth taking is to take it and then see the results afterwards.wordmongererhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12058967316615942271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-82383601781083622582009-09-08T07:38:53.017-07:002009-09-08T07:38:53.017-07:00Ryall, if you consider my post in the context of t...Ryall, if you consider my post in the context of the entire response it makes much more sense. <br /><br />Focus on this perhaps: you want to market to us, you want us to buy by offering a preview, expect feedback. <br /><br />Don't sit there and whine why people won't give things a chance. Be glad that they've given the chance to have a look at the cover art you've supplied. You're trying to market to us, you're trying to encourage us to help you make profits. We should be perfectly entitled to judge what we see - esp. when you're trying to entice us to fork out our hard earned on your books.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-22469244839029786312009-09-08T00:16:53.555-07:002009-09-08T00:16:53.555-07:00I disagree about the art sucking, it's just th...I disagree about the art sucking, it's just the way the bots are designed. When I look at those covers and don't even recognise the iconic image of "Generation One" Optimus Prime, there's just something very wrong.<br /><br />Like I said, I'm a fan, and I too support IDW, so I'll buy the comic. But these are not the Transformers I knew. And quite frankly, yes, this is hard to look at.<br /><br />I hate the movie designs. There's nothing "Japanese mecha" about them at all. It's more "American Terminator". So no, I don't appreciate the movie design language imposed on the original character designs. If Don really wants to draw more detail I don't see why he wasn't given a movie Universe book instead.Hanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03442388706616569265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-4189037081783519292009-09-08T00:02:27.735-07:002009-09-08T00:02:27.735-07:00As much as we have something of a right as a consu...As much as we have something of a right as a consumer to pass judgement on whether or not we intend to buy something based on the art (or the writer or the company or whatever) there must be a line between deciding not to buy something, speaking as a previous consumer and explaining why you're not going to continue with a title (even to the EIC of the company) and just being negative.<br /><br />I see people saying "I don't like the art" (hell I've said it) as being a judgement.<br /><br />"The art sucks" is just being negative, and somewhat rude.<br /><br />I don't like a lot of the New Series of Doctor Who, but love the old stuff. Now, I am within my right as a consumer to say why I don't like it (I love IDW's take on it FWIW), but if I didn't watch the series and was just critical, does that not make me somewhat hypocritical and rude, rather then making judgements as a consumer?<br /><br />So if you're not going to get the comics because of the art, that's fine. If you want to say "I'm not getting this because of the art" then that's fine too. But to constantly go on and on about it, it crosses the line between a judgement and rudeness IMO.<br /><br /><br />You see, I'm a teacher. <br />When I teach kids to critique the work of their fellow students (and it is something we do) language that is constructive, "I didn't like it because of X and Y" that sort of thing, is far more likely to get the person you're talking to listen to your comments then saying "it sucks".<br />If children as young as 8 can do that, why can't adults on the Internet?<br /><br />Why can't we be creative in our criticisms? I read a post on the IDW forum, where someone explained that their dislike of the faces comes from the difficulty in them emoting. He could so easily have said "they suck because they can't emote", but instead he toned in such a way to offer a critique that is toned in such a way to offer suggestions for improvement.DanielWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11082223893368903999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-38653630015131875932009-09-07T20:41:51.499-07:002009-09-07T20:41:51.499-07:00> Um. No idea how to respond to this kind of th...> Um. No idea how to respond to this kind of thinking.<br /><br />I don't think you're listening. What I interpreted him as saying was that why should we not be able to pass judgement on a book before reading it? <br /><br />Given you're trying to lure us in, market to us, can't readers then judge what they see? It's the whole point of these covers you're showing us, right? Trying to whet our appetite?<br /><br />The art does suck btw.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-70755543813684285042009-09-07T18:31:42.855-07:002009-09-07T18:31:42.855-07:00'Is it too much to ask that everyone actually ...'Is it too much to ask that everyone actually read issue 1 and then decide? Because I think most all of this is going to be moot when you see it.'<br /><br />We've already given it a chance with issue 13 of All Hail Megatron. And it was not to our liking.<br /><br />Obviously either my point was not coming across clearly or you just weren't getting it. Which, I can understand with people giving negative comments that are quit harsh and not needed. <br /><br />Simply having a 5 year old tantrum and saying 'it sucks, it's ugly' is not the way to get the point across because obviously, you're not holding a gun to our heads to buy your comics and bottom line is it's our choice to spend the money or not.<br /><br />However, there are those of us like myself who want to support IDW and love the transformers comics. Heck, they're the only comics I read and buy. <br /><br />That being said, they are comics books so the greatest appeal to them is the artwork. It's not a novel with only words. <br /><br />While, I am sure the story line and plot itself will be fantastic I can not say that I will be able to get into it looking at those faces. I felt very put off from relating to Prime and Ironhide in issue 13 of AHM and I feel it would be the same for this new series. <br /><br />You ask is it too much to ask that we read the first issue, but really is it too much that you give us what was promised? The first on going GENERATION ONE Transformers series in years?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-59616487748665395062009-09-07T15:39:19.368-07:002009-09-07T15:39:19.368-07:00Just a heads up to Ryan of Seibertron.com, but thi...Just a heads up to Ryan of Seibertron.com, but this is the real "DrSpengler" and I did not write that comment about the Store.<br /><br />Looks like someone was playing a joke.TMNT Entityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04619146080143414500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-42395450603349899282009-09-07T15:06:26.205-07:002009-09-07T15:06:26.205-07:00>No one should have to try your book and then p...>No one should have to try your book and then pass judgement on it. <br /><br />Um. No idea how to respond to this kind of thinking.Chris Ryallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08993328521515328509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-2740835436280432982009-09-07T09:16:20.356-07:002009-09-07T09:16:20.356-07:00"I don't think there's been anything ..."I don't think there's been anything nasty in these responses here. They're expressing an opinion and I agree with others that you should at least listen."<br /><br />When did Ryall ever say he doesn't listen? Did you even read his post where he said he takes every fans' opinion into account? <br /><br />-RonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-29105935268925125502009-09-07T08:20:36.591-07:002009-09-07T08:20:36.591-07:00Chris said...
> Is it too much to ask that ever...Chris said...<br />> Is it too much to ask that everyone actually read issue 1 and then decide? Because I think most all of this is going to be moot when you see it.<br /><br />Mate, you are asking readers to spend their money on something that at first glance repulses them. <br /><br />I'm really sorry, if your the one trying to win us over, you should be more than willing for us to express our opinions and pass judgement. You put previews to try and woo us in, to get us to spend $3.99. Comics aren't cheap.<br /><br />It's your job to get us to buy books. Turning around and complaining when we don't respond well to the very previews you're trying to lure us in with is pretty damn hypocritical. <br /><br />No one should have to try your book and then pass judgement on it. As a consumer, you are from the very outset trying to engage us and attract us to your offering. We should be able to pass judgement on something the moment you put a preview out there.<br /><br />I don't think there's been anything nasty in these responses here. They're expressing an opinion and I agree with others that you should at least listen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-36065095682444875142009-09-06T23:09:41.263-07:002009-09-06T23:09:41.263-07:00>While, I think it is great that Ryall is backi...>While, I think it is great that Ryall is backing up Don in this, that shows some great loyalty and I respect that a lot... I simply ask that you take the time to hear us fans out who are actually not trying to bash and give our honest opinions and please take us into account.<br /><br />In the five years I've been doing this, I've repeatedly shown that I do take every fan's comments into account. And you'd think that in doing so it would build up some level of trust with the fans, but when I see fans yelling me they will stop buying Transformers comics because they don't like the way a character's face looks, well, that is not something I understand, condone or will cater to. If peoples' affection for these characters is so transitory as to let an art style that isn't 100% to your liking (but it IS a high percentage nonetheless, based on everyone's "we love Don but just not these faces" comments) send you packing, well, there's nothing we can do about that. Change the faces again and alienate other people? Or change a vehicle mode and alienate still others? Change a color, a word balloon, a font? Where does this level of jumping off end? And how do you think we could put together long-term plans if we're expected to constantly tweak little details that some people don't like?<br /><br />Is it too much to ask that everyone actually read issue 1 and then decide? Because I think most all of this is going to be moot when you see it.Chris Ryallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08993328521515328509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-21033959762972317612009-09-06T20:54:28.141-07:002009-09-06T20:54:28.141-07:00Andy Schmidt has this to say:
Don wanted to take ...Andy Schmidt has this to say:<br /><br />Don wanted to take different elements from different incarnations and I stood by the decision. Don't not the only artist on here. Look at the "Last Stand of the Wreckers" cover we've released or the Bumblebee cover we've released. Neither of those are movie-fied. What we're doing differently is letting the artists be artists. We're letting them show off their unique skills. Casey, Guido, and many others are working on other TF projects and no one but Don is doing what Don does. No one but Guido is penciling them the way Guido does. It's about letting the artists bring something unique to their stories.<br /><br />One of the things I love about comics is how I used to argue with my two brothers over who did the best Wolverine or Spider-Man or Batman. I'm just trying give the artists on TF that same kind of freedom. Granted, Don's take on them is the most different from what we've seen before, but if yo look closely, there's elements from "War Within" and "armada" as well as the movies. <br /><br /><br /><br />Well that rather is that.<br />Now I predict that people will be complaining about the incosistency.<br /><br />However - we have Don on art.<br />An ONGOING series.<br />A company that has committed to producing the best quality series they can.<br />The NUMBER 3 COMPANY in the industry no less. <br />It's a company that takes the fans seriously enough to employ some of them to write, illustrate and illuminate the comics.<br /><br />A company that has enough guts to speak to the fans, listen to the abuse and to try and change their opinions.<br /><br />No, I don't work for IDW, but by thunder I have more respect for them then I do certain other companies out there.DanielWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11082223893368903999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-71792131039544871862009-09-06T19:41:23.826-07:002009-09-06T19:41:23.826-07:00I've posted before about that art work and I f...I've posted before about that art work and I feel I need to again. Don is an AMAZING artist. I myself am an artist and a graphic designer so I realize and agree with the fact that all artist have to grow and try new things. This in no way bothers me. In fact I like to see artists expanding and evolving their styles. <br /><br />With that being said. IDW is a business. As a Graphic Designer I realize that my work must please the client, the person PAYING. If the client is not pleased then there is a problem. The client wants the style they want. If they don't get what they want, I don't get paid and they walk away to someone else who is going to do the work the way they want it done. <br /><br />In no way do I mean any disrespect to Don, I think he is amazing, but if he wants to try a more movie verse style, why not let him work on movie verse comics instead of comics that are G1?<br /><br />If I want to see movie verse art I would go to the movie verse comics. But we have been promised a more G1 continuing saga and I for one would be more pleased to see it stay a little truer to G1 and not try to merge the two designs because frankly it doesn't work, it is not eye pleasing and will simply drive fans to not pick up the comics. <br /><br />Now, I think it is unfair to say the style is ugly or any other negative comment about it in the reguards of style itself. I'm not bashing the artwork for what it is. I'm simply saying that it's not suited to a more G1 based line, it's not a good selling point. <br /><br />You can not do a somewhat movie verse style and call it G1, it simply does not work. And comments about it sucking will not get the point across that what we, the fans, want is G1 style art and not movie verse. <br /><br />While, I think it is great that Ryall is backing up Don in this, that shows some great loyalty and I respect that a lot... I simply ask that you take the time to hear us fans out who are actually not trying to bash and give our honest opinions and please take us into account.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-16144276433257072112009-09-06T19:20:21.020-07:002009-09-06T19:20:21.020-07:00I've posted before, and I feel I should post a...I've posted before, and I feel I should post again. I'm happy that people are putting in their opinion. First of all... I already said Don is one of my favorite artists. It's just the lean on the movieverse that is making me walk away. <br /><br />I think that in that genre, I'd enjoy the design. Only when I look at it in this continuum, it loses the feelings and attachment to me. In fact, as I stated before, I think of Skeletor (adding in Terminator at that). But, this is all in the faces. The body detail is impressive and almost functional. I mean NO disrespect for Figueroa... <br /><br />I've subscribed to each round of comics AND bought the compilations... But... I don't think I'll be buying these even if I am curious about what is going to happen.Nightingalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05192928221689589026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3796540515860610284.post-32203875127956516622009-09-06T16:23:15.802-07:002009-09-06T16:23:15.802-07:00[quote]DrSpengler said...
I think "Seibe...[quote]DrSpengler said...<br /><br /> I think "Seibertron" is one of the best people to give his opinion on the quality of the comic books. After all, he has thousands of copies of the Dreamwave series at his house (the unsent copies he kept after stealing the money of the fans from his site).[/quote]<br /><br />I love when people don't tell the whole story. You received your refund at least 4 years ago, as did everyone else. Let it drop Spengler.Ryanhttp://www.seibertron.comnoreply@blogger.com